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The Discerning Leader podcast is for Christian leaders who are interested in discovering the joy of “practicing a preference for God” in all aspects of their personal lives and relationships, their leadership and service to others.

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Nov 5, 2020

Host: Steve Macchia, Guest: Rick Anderson

An honest diagnosis and a hopeful prognosis is needed for local congregations today. The Church Health Assessment Tool (CHAT) will help you get there.” -Rick Anderson

The Church is vitally important. Leadership Transformations supports the spiritual health of the body of Christ. The Church Health Assessment Tool (CHAT) is an online, holistic, user-friendly, biblically-centered, strengths-based listening tool that hundreds of congregations have used successfully. Like looking both ways before crossing the street, CHAT helps leadership teams remain attentive to their surroundings, especially their congregants. A deeper awareness of God and his beloved children leads to greater clarity and trust for discerning the way forward.

Join the conversation about spiritual discernment as a way of life at and consider participation in our online and in-person program offerings. Additional LTI spiritual formation resources can be found at and and